Tymon Kruidenier - EXIVIOUS par ARNAUD - 2222 lectures
S'il y a bien un groupe qui a jeté un pavé dans la marre cette année dans la sphère Metal, c'est bien EXIVIOUS à travers son premier album qui combine à merveille Jazz-Fusion et Metal, pour un résultat unique et exceptionnel qui en font déjà un must. Parfaite occasion pour discuter avec le sympathique et affable Tymon Kruidenier, au sujet de l'actualité présente et futur du groupe Hollandais, mais également pour évoquer CYNIC dont il est aussi le guitariste.


First of all congratulation for this immense album which you have just taken out, of the beautiful work. The wait be worth it. Tymon, you released excellent demos in debuts of the 2000s and then nothing more, thus that kept silent make during all these ye
Thank you! Well, I've always been working on Exivious ever since I started the band back in 1997. Some years more actively than others but I never lost my goal of recording and releasing a full length album. It was a long road from our first demo release until our recently released debut but there are a couple of reasons for that. The main one being that it just took a lot of time to find our own style. I've always had a strong feeling of what the album should sound like, nothing concrete, more of a certain vibe and energy. It would have been cool to share that road to our debut by releasing demos before it or maybe even full lenght albums. I wrote enough songs to actually do that but my sense for perfection always drove me to not release anything before I was completely satisfied with it.


In 2008, you announce your return, I say you because meanwhile Exivious became a true group with the integration of talented musicians. It is not any more your solo project, we can indeed speak about a group now?Can you, at the same time,
say to us about it more on the other members of Exivious?
Yes the debut era for Exivious started in 2005 when I got together with Michel, Stef and Robin. It took quite some time to gell as a whole and to transform Exivious into a real band. But it worked out and after a lot of talking and playing together it suddenly clicked and we became one well oiled moving machine. Let me introduce the other guys with a short description. Michel is my fellow thinker in composition. A very driven musician with his own unique style both in playing and composing. He thinks about the things I forget to think about, we make a really good team that way. Stef, drummer from Dutch band Textures. Another young and enthusiastic musician with a very loose and spontanious style, both in his personality and playing. Robin, my Cynical partner, probably the easiest musician I ever had the pleasure of working with. He doesn't talk too much about the how and the why of his playing, he just comes up with great parts that completely fit the music. Everyone plays a very big part in our sound and I'm convinced that Exivious would sound very different with even one other musician in our lineup. That's a thing I'm really proud of in our debut; we each get to show our own individual musical character and the way they combine is what makes Exivious.


Both demos let glimpse a beautiful potential in the period, with hindsight how do you judge its recordings, that have to be smiled now?
I look back and see a very immature musician. It was a snapshot in time, a captured moment of the road to where we are right now. I'm proud of them but I would never write anything like that again. I don't think I could even if I wanted to!


In the biography of the group, you say that you play Fusionmetal ((Fusionmetal - A relatively new and unexplored genre in the world of metal.
Exivious marks a first to truly marry jazzfusion with metal into a coherent new style) and that you are in a sense the first ones to practise this genre. For me, it is we cannot any more just, but are not you afraid that certain persons think that it rings a little bit conceited coming from a group which takes out its first album?

Looking back I can imagine that part of our biography may sound a little arrogant. But it was never meant like that! We truly feel we are one of the first bands to really incorporate jazzfusion and metal in the core of our musical concept. Of course, there are tons of bands that borrow certain elements of jazzfusion and throw those into a metal context. Take Cynic as an example, we use a fusion clean sound, there's some fusion like soloing, some odd meter rhythms here and there, and so on. But to me, that doesn't make it a true marriage of two styles. There's a lot more to jazzfusion than just those obvious elements, think about the harmonic language, the melodic sense, the improvisation, the spontanity. Those are things you don't find in bands like Cynic and Atheist. To be clear, this doesn't make it good or bad, not at all! Some people may think it's a complete failure to mix those two styles, and that's OK haha!


Did you concretize with this first album, the vision which you had, that is to mix the Jazz Fusion à la Allan Holdsworth with Metal? You are completely proud of it I imagine after these long working years?
We did the best we possibly could and that's what makes it easy to surrender to the imperfections that are inevitable in every work of art. I'm proud, but there are quite some things I would have done different if I would have the chance to go back in time. But that's totally OK with me and that's what makes for improvement for our next album!


I cannot leave untold the influence which has had on you Allan Holdsworth, thus I would like to know what represents Allan Holdsworth for you who is a fan of this musician or rather the influence which he was able to have on you?
Allan Holdsworth is a genius in my book. He developed a completely unique style that many tried to get close to but none could. His jaw dropping legato technique is something he is known for, but that's not what makes him so great in my opinion. It's his approach to harmony and improvisation and his melodic sense that makes him so unique. His influence is a big part of my sound these days. Not only his lead playing but also his harmonic language.


Have you had envy to give up by moment, by seeing for example that you would not manage to reach your purpose or you always believed in it?
I have always believed in what I wanted to archieve. I think that's a quality you need to have if you want to really create an honest work of art. Of course there were times of frustration, every musician and composer knows those feelings. The key is to convert that energy into something positive. Instead of feeling down and putting your guitar on ebay, you can also pick it up again, take a deep breath, and start practicing to get better!


How took place the process of composition, you jam all together or each composes from his part and brings its ideas? It is not too much a break-in head by moment, seen the complexity of certain parts?
The basic song is pretty much worked out at home by Michel and me. When we think it's ready we take it too the rehearsal room and start playing around with it. We often change things like the structure or approach to certain sections and of course the rest of the guys fill in their voice and the song comes alive. I think it's a pretty standard way of working.


The album is completely instrumental, was it by choice and planned dices the beginning or rather by default? At no time you thought added some growls? (Laughter)
Haha growls were banned a long time ago. But we did think about adding vocals for a long time! I'm a huge fan of singers like Björk and Imogen Heap so I'd definitely like to experiment with adding vocals of that style. I don't see a second instrumental album for Exivious to be honest! We definitely like to try something different for another album and the addition of vocals would be very likely.


What surprised a lot me on this album, it is that in spite of the complex and technical side, the album is very a sticker even catchy by moment and especially fast memory.
Is it important for you to propose the truths songs with the feeling, rather than with the simple masturbation of indigestible sleeve?

Thank you, that's one of the best compliments someone can give about our music! All 4 of us are believers of quality over quantity. Technicality should be used in purpose of the song, not the other way around. That's actually a reason why I don't care about a lot of music in the progressive music world.


Robin's bass has an important role in your music
(I think of the interludes, some soloes as that of "Ripple Of A Tear", of the intro of "Embrace The Unknow") and a place of choice in the mix (as all the instruments, the beautiful job there also), it was wanted dices the departure? That really pleases to wait especially that these lines of basses are magnificent and really bring something more to the atmosphere of the album.

Exivious is a product of the 4 of us combined, I really believe in that. And Robin is a very big part of our collective sound, so he deserved that placement in the mix. Besides, form a listeners point of view I always have a preference to hear the bass really upfront.


I like very much the atmosphere which gets free during all the album with these contrasts between these joyful/brilliant atmospheres and the darker/mysterious side.
It came naturally or there is the truth look for of established this introspective side?

That's always been a key element to the vision I had for Exivious. I'd like to see Exivious as an emotional roller coaster ride through the minds of the 4 of us. Besides the pain, the anger and the hate that you can find in our music there's also a more peaceful and calm side that I can really identify with. I'd like to explore that side of our sound more on a possible 2nd release.


Also the titles of the pieces are mysterious, although it is not text there, I imagine that there is all the same a link between all, as a kind of story?
Can you say to us about it more on this subject if that does not disturb you?
All the titles are derived from our concept: choices. It's a fascination I've had for a long time, what is choice exactly? Do the choices we make give us our identity? Or is the outcome of our choices predetermined? Can we look at this world as a web of choices, each choice causing other choices to be made, an endless complex collective of choices? There's so many questions, that makes it so interesting to me! There are complete lyrics for some songs, like Waves Of Thought, that even had complete vocal lines at some point too before we decided to go 100% instrumental. So yeah, there's meaning behind those titles but it's actually kind of interesting that most people will never know the intended meaning behind those particular songs. Our listeners can use their own creativity and interpretation!

So, you do not intend to make available his texts?

No I don't think so, but maybe we can use them at some point for something else, who knows.


"The Path" reminds me "Tao Te King" of Lao Tseu, may I see a report there or I am on the wrong track?
I don't know that particular book, but The Path basically gets its meaning from a Bhuddhist kind of philosophy. The path to our destiny is non existent, because there is only destiny. I would guess your book could be about the same kind of basic thinking.


Paul Masvidal makes a brilliant appearance on "Embrace The Unknow" with a rather extraordinary solo which puts shivers. I imagine that you are happy of the result?
Paul was very cool about it when I asked him to play a solo. We wanted to give Paul a chance to let him show another side of him. So we gave him a progression with a lot of chord changes and told him to make it rough, improvise if possible. A very different approach to Cynic's solos which are all composed over simple chord progressions. So that's what he did, and like expected he came up with something really unique and great!


You chose of you pass of label, can you say to us why this decision? That makes a few months that the album went out, you always think that it is the good decision and that that does not carry damage to the group in term of promotion for example?
We're a group of people who like to be in control of what we do. Of course we're missing a lot of promotion and commercial opportunities, but that's not the reason we're in Exivious anyways! Our band is a result of our passion and love for music. For example the packaging of our unique edition CD box, that's something a label would have never agreed on because the production costs were so high. We'd like to do things our own way, with love and passion. And we thought the times were right to try and do this ourselves!


Is the album sold indeed and enough to go into your expenses?
Yes, but the production costs for our debut weren't that high. We didn't need to hire a producer or engineer and we recorded everything except the drums in my home studio. So it wasn't that big of a deal to break even.

Do you think that the download, maybe beneficial for you, given that you almost have no support for the promotion except Internet?

That was our idea, we hope so! I think we saw a slight increase in sales since we put the entire album on there so for now we'll just leave it on there.

Since the release of the album, some labels did contact you to insert their roster?

Yes we've been approached a couple of times but for now we're happy with the way things are going. We might change our plans in the future with a second album, but that's something for later!


Is there a chance which we see you in concert in France? (Laughter)
I really hope so, but I have to be honest and tell you the chances of that happening are slim in the next few years. Robin and I are really focussed on Cynic right now and it's next to impossible to have another touring band besides Cynic. Who knows though in a couple of years when we may take a break with Cynic.


What is the continuation for Exivious
although Robin and you be very busy with Cynic, have you have had the time to begin to compose for the possible second album? If yes, you already have a precise idea in the way of which he is going to sound, that will be different? I read in an interview that he could have some singing there, when is he exactly?
We're definitely doing another album at some point. All I know it's going to sound different from the first one, we all agreed on not making the same CD twice, what's the point in that? So we're brainstorming about it right now, I can't wait to start working on our 2nd album!

If that does not disturb you, I would like to evoke Cynic because we did not see you too much speaking on the subject.


What was your reaction when Paul and Sean contacted you to join Cynic, group whose a fan you were? Did you accept directly, without asking too much question in spite of the estrangement?
I was shocked! It felt like living in a dream, to some extent it still does, living the life of a touring musician. I accepted directly, the chance to play guitar in one of my alltime favorite bands, of course!


What represented for you CYNIC before you join the group?
A band that created one of the best albums ever recorded. A highly unique, tasteful, groundbreaking album with very solid songwriting and performance. I've been moving away from metal for a long time so it's not like I was the biggest fan or something, but it was without a doubt the best metal band as far as I was concerned. They influenced me in countless ways, it's a big part of who I am as a musician.


Have you participated in the composition of "Traced In Air"
or at least to bring some ideas others than your solos, in spite of the fact that Cynic is the project of Paul and Sean and whom you are in Holland? Not too much complicated to work at a distance?
How's that takes place between Paul and you, I imagine that complicity settled down rather fast to work in best together?

I wrote some counter riffs here and there, interpreted some of Paul's parts in my own way, wrote some solos. The core of the songs were written by Paul so I was mainly a part of the decoration phase of the Traced In Air production. Working on ideas is pretty easy these days with the internet and all its possibilities. I'm looking forward to getting into writing mode for the next Cynic album! I'll have a much bigger role this time around, can't wait!

This pleases to hear this, you are going to try to bring your leg?
(not sure what you mean, you mean if I'll throw my own thing in there? if so then:)
Yes there's some interesting ideas I want to explore within the Cynical realms. We're all on the same page as to the direction we'd like to go in so I'm really curious how things will turn out.



Did you feel a kind of pressure or did you put yourself of the pressure for your parts on this album?
Not at all! I'm very aware that I'm my own worst critic and the only way you can truly judge your own work is to be honest and listen to yourself. And if I get to that point where I feel really satisfied with a certain part I composed I know it's the best I can do. So it doesn't make any sense to worry about things like pressure. Of course it also helped that Paul liked my ideas.


The fans very fast accepted you, you give of the importance to it or in no way?
Yes definitely! I would have expected a longer "trial periode" for fans to accept me as a real Cynic member but things went really fast and easy! I feel totally accepted and it makes me feel way more confident on stage than a year ago.


Have you a special anecdote lived on tour to be made share?
One of the craziest experiences must have been playing a festival in the Ukraine. From the airplane that flew us there that must have been retired in the 70s and acquired recently by some Russian airline, the bus that picked us up having holes in the ceiling and doing 140 km/h on a road where 30 km/h would be allowed in any western country, the overly excessive drunk people everywhere, no bathrooms at the festival so everyone was using the Black Sea that was next to the festival site. I remember we were all taking pisses under the stage because we didn't have a bathroom, a little while later some guys from another band were tired I guess and were sleeping underneath the stage, right in the spot hahaha.


And what are the strong moments for you since you make party of Cynic?
The strongest moments for me are just hanging out with the guys or new people we meet every day and just having fun. After having played a good gig with a nice receptive crowd.


I saw that you are going to go in Australia for a small tour. When is he of a possible tour in the USA as top of the bill? Always no concert of planned in South America?
There's a US tour coming up right after the Australian dates. We've been planning to play South America for over a year now but the right opportunity never popped up. But I'm sure it will happen sooner or later!


Last question on the subject, did you begin to speak and/or to compose for the possible third album? I saw that he could have any more no growl on the next album and that Robin would integrate Cynic definitively, when is he exactly?
No we didn't start composing yet, we need some down time to really get into that headspace and make it happen. We've been thinking and talking about what we'd like to do. Probably no growls, but who knows, time will tell how everything will unfold. Robin has been a part of the band for over a year now, so it's only natural that he will be the recording bass player too.


On what instruments and ampli do you play within Cynic and Exivious? What is your installation, which do you use (ampli, pedal, effect, connection)?
I mostly play my old Steinberger GM-4S equipped with 0.10 to 0.46 gauge strings. Besides that I'm getting into Steinberger's new ZT3 model too. Both Paul and I use a Fractal Audio Axe-FX for our amp simulation, cabinet simulation and all effects. We've been running direct for about a year now. That means no poweramps or cabs on stage anymore, we just plug straight into the PA and we hear ourselves through in ears. I use the same setup for Exivious.


What are your influences main things as guitarist and the persons who really gave you envy to play this instrument?
There's so many amazing musicians and artists out there, all of them influenced me one way or another. A couple that stand out and really made a big impact on my musical identity are guitarist Allan Holdsworth, sax player John Coltrane and singer/songwriter Björk.


What musical formation did you follow?
I've been a self taught musician for a very long time, I'm a firm believer of figuring stuff out yourself. It will give you a more unique approach and understanding of the things you learn. So I've been working my way through books, videos and internet articles and transcribing a lot of my favorite songs. When I was playing guitar for a couple of years I had some lessons from Richard Hallebeek, a great Dutch fusion guitarist. Later I studied music production & composition. But because of my self taught nature I always converted everything I learned in a traditional format to my own weird approach to music. For the geeks under us, I'm a modal thinker. Chords aren't necessarily degrees with a clear function but just a number of voices from a certain scale played together at the same time. I think this is the same approach Allan Holdsworth uses, somehow it just makes sense to me.


Thank you very much Tymon for the time which you will have granted me and your patience seen my numerous questions. I leave you the last word, if you want to add something or to make a message pass, it is the moment.
Thank you for this eleborate interview! For the readers: if you only know my name from Cynic, check out my other band Exivious at www.exivious.net. We are streaming the entire album on our website and MySpace!


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